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  • Update TRTLLM batchedGemm kernels with supposedly more efficient token load/store
  • Moved _tile_tokens_dim() into inside the thop. See https://github.com/NVIDIA/TensorRT-LLM/pull/6645/files#r2255699861
  • Improve TRTLLM batchedGemm heuristic so persistent scheduling is correctly chosen when number of CTAs are large enough
  • Tighter estimate of max number of CTAs to reduce kernel overhead

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pytest tests/unittest/_torch/thop/test_moe.py
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// Next, greedily pour all remaining tokens to one expert to maximize CTA tile count.
// E.g., at this point tokens over 4 experts are [1, 1, 1, 1], and we have 4 tokens left.
// If each CTA handles 4 tokens/expert, the greedy strategy is to pour all remaining tokens
// to any one expert to get to the 5th CTA tile. Otherwise, we can only get 4 tiles in total.
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I had better understanding of the correctness of the proposed logic by reformulating in my head -- pour all remaining tokens to the buckets of tileN size. These buckets, if full, could be attributed to any expert. If bucket is less than full, no new bucket is needed as we could've added those tokens to the existing expert's bucket with 1 token. Furthermore, the estimation does not consider that the same token has to go to different experts. Thus, the estimation is correct and still pessimistic.

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These buckets, if full, could be attributed to any expert

Yes. Attributing the full buckets to any expert should be the more accurate description. Let's change the description in the source if needed

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Could you add this sentence to your comment, please? It is really what helped me to understand in the past :)

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Revised. Not pushed yet as I need to run a few quick sanity tests locally after the rebase/rebuild cycle

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Sorry about the long delay. I just rebased and pushed the update

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IIUC, besides the general benefit of using less mem BW, this optimization allows to bump the tileN without paying too much of mem BW cost. It should help for the cases with skewed expert distribution. Could you help to measure if there is a perf benefit, please?

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Superceded by #8156. Closing.

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